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Hotseat Rules Innovations and Discussion Thread

on Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:39 pm
The purpose of this thread is to serve as a place where can be created and improved new hotseat rules and styles. Do you have an idea for a new hotseat? Bring it here!
This thread is also the place you should visit for ideas before starting a new hotseat.

You can also find here a list of basic rules and bugs recommended byHotseat Staff (but not enforced upon anyone)

A - The list of basic rules and bugs recommended by Gaming Staff of the main section

I - List of known bugs

1) The naval fort bug: No using ships to bypass a fort's or a settlement's Zone of Control.

2) Spam siege bug: Besieging a fort/settlement with a force far superior in it, in order to either prevent that army from reinforcing or in order to cut down settlements income is not allowed. Same goes for blockading ports with ships.

3) Ambush fort bug: No luring men in ambush position into ZoC of forts\settlement's as such robbing them of their movement points.

4) Siege reinforcement bug: when the army is adjacent to a fort or a settlements that has been put under siege it cannot reinforce armies adjacent to him which he should have been able to reinforce on normal occasions. Attacking an army which the siege reinforcements bug applies to is not allowed
Navy inside ports attacked bug: no using this bug to attack ships which are inside ports.

5) Yoyo armies\forts bug: no attacking an army which the bug has been used on multiple times. You can see when this bug occurs, as the enemy army enters the fort and then leaves it.

6) Attacking ships inside the port - Attacking ships that are inside ports is not allowed.

7) Recruitment pool fill up - Quing up units in the recruitment sloots to increase artifically units/agents maximum number you can recruit in one settlement.

8) Recruting mercenaries in forts with depleted movement points - Using forts to get illegal maximum movement points to mercenaries in a depleted army. 

9 ) Using ships to get more movement range - Using ships to give more movement range to armies on seas.

II - General rules

1) Time limits - Time limits for hotseats where each player controls only one faction should be 24 hours. If players control more factions or its team based HS, the time limit can be increased. Maximal extension should be 24 hours. If a player is late, admin should sub/skip right away instead of sending a reminder.

2) Exploits - Moves that are not actual bugs, but are considered as a break of fair play - Posting defeats, making walls of units on map to disallow enemy agents to move and stomping/killing agents with units, surrounding armies/navies to deny retreat, intentionally spreading a plague with agents/units, stepping on a merchant to remove him from a trade resource, exploiting AI factions ( for example demanding/accepting money or settlements from AI factions), and more.

3) Suiciding - Suiciding a faction you play is not allowed, and may result into a removal from all hotseats.

III - Military rules

1) Battles - a) All battles are auto-resolved. Screenshots must be posted with: odds and result screens, mouse over the odds bar to show the ratio, the armies involved with their banners visible on the campaign map, unit card of siege unit must be visible if used to directly assault settlement. 
b) Manual battles against AI allowed should be allowed in hotseats where are AI controlled factions.
c) Manual battles allowed against human players. This rule changes HS a lot so use carefully. 
d) Battles resolved by online battles.
2) Defeated armies - Armies that are defeated in a battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list. Armies standing in fortifications (fort/settlement) when defeated are excluded from this rule.

3) Starting peace - You are not allowed to attack or enter enemy land of the opponent, if he has not played his first turn yet. This is to give all players same starting chance, as in some scenarios some armies start in enemy territory or are in range of enemy units.

4) Heroic victories - Heroic victories against players are not be allowed. However, occasionally it happens player cant get any other type of victory then heroic victory. In such cases heroic victories may be allowed, but only if the odds are higher for the attacker than 1:1.

5) Ports - Ships cannot leave blockaded port, they must defeat blockading navy first. If there is more blockading navies, you must defeat other blockading ships or return into the port. Ground units cannot stop ships from entering/leaving the ports even if the port is blockaded in game when you step with your units on the port. It's not allowed to keep units/agents protected by placing them in ships docked in a port. 

6) Forts - a) Building of forts is not allowed.
b) If building forts is allowed, then there should be a limit about how many forts can player build in a region. For example 2 forts per region per player. There should be also a minimal amount of units or men required per fort. Usually its 4 full units.

7) Watchtowers - Its highly recommended to not allow building watchtowers, as it might disallow players to build a fort in such places where are watchtowers.

8) Denying retreat of an enemy army into a settlement - You are not allowed to deny enemy retreat into a settlement/fort by putting it under siege. This is to prevent you from using the army outside to draw garrison into another battle.

9) Siege equipment - Usage of siege equipment should be either a) banned completely
b) or allowed with reasonable limitations 
- A unit of siege equipment can be used only once per turn. 
- 1st level siege equipment (usually ballistas) can assault wooden walls,
- 2nd level siege equipment (usually catapults) can assault also basic stone walls/castles,
- 3rd level siege siege equipment (usually trebuchets) can assault large stone walls/fortresses.
- Huge stone walls or citadels cannot be taken with any piece of siege equipment.

IV - Agent rules

1) Spies - a) Spies are not allowed to open gates.
b) If spies are allowed to open gates, then there should be certain limitations - Percentage an agent meeds to open a gate, garrison limit and possibly also number of spies required to open gates. For example - To open gates of a fort/settlement, spies need at least 60% to enter the city. If they were in the city in the beginning of the turn, they have to leave the city, and then enter it again. However, if garrison is higher than 720+ men, then the spies are not allowed to open gates anyway. Screenshots must be posted. 
Admin may also set up maximum amount of allowed spies per a player.

2) Assassins - a) Assassins are not allowed to kill any agent or character.
b) If assassins are allowed to assassinate, then it must be clearly stated whom can they assassinate and also the percentage they need to assassinate. For example - Assassins are allowed to assassinate spies/assassins, they need 60% to be allowed to assassinate. Screenshots must be posted.
Admin may also set up maximum amount of allowed assassins per a player.

3) Princesses - a) Princesses are not allowed to steal enemy general.
b) If they are allowed to steal enemy generals, it must be clearly stated how high percentage is needed ( usually 35%). It is not allowed to steal a general in order to lift a siege. Screenshots must be posted.

4) Merchants - Merchants are allowed to acquire other merchant´s assets only in your own regions, and regions that belong to a faction you have trade rights with. It must be stated how high the percentage should be to acquire other merchant´s assets (usually 60%). Screenshots must be posted.

V - Settlement rules

1) Destruction of buildings - a) destruction of buildings is not allowed. However, you can destroy temples of a different religion if they were not destroyed automatically when taking a settlement.
b) If destruction of buildings is allowed, then it must be clearly stated what kinds of buildings can be destroyed. There also should be a limitation stopping player from destroying buildings when a settlement is in danger of being taken. Usually it is: Players are not allowed to destroy buildings in a settlement if superior enemy force can reach it in one turn. For three turns after taking a settlement players are not allowed to destroy any buildings here.

2) Gifting settlements - Settlements cannot be gifted if they are in war zone. Gifted settlements must disband all spawned units except one that is can be kept to keep public order.

3) Extermination of settlements - Not allowed

B - List of the main hotseat styles:

I - (Westeros) RP HS


1 random adoption per faction.Will need to be explained through RP, example - Fostering a random noble.
Can adopt 2 pre-existing characters that you start the game with to help families not die out,this will also need RP reasoning. All reasons shall be publicly posted on thread per each adoption
If found to be secretly adopting you shall be fined harshly and said member(s) shall be killed.

This Hotseat will be taking finances very seriously, if you allow yourself to run into debt.
Here follows the financial fines for finding yourself in debt:
-4000 = Troop Desertion
-8000 = The Loss of General Loyalty Traits
-12000 = Faction Destruction

*Capturing Generals / Agents*
A general can be captured if you have him trapped in a fort/castle you are besieging or could have killed him in battle 
Princesses can be captured if they are just standing in other player controlled lands where troops could get to them. Any captured general/princess can have a ransom negotiated, and the captor may decide to kill them if they wish.

So for example a General is taken captive, trial by combat may be demanded rather than keeping him locked within a dungeon. A trial cannot be refused, if a general is at an obvious disadvantage, the odds will be effected.

Using, admin will randomize on the events that occur, and players may RP the events. (results can be pm'd to the victor before hand to make RP more newsworthy)

Once randomized, the admin will pick the first number 1 result within the list. 
For examples;
Two formidable warriors in a TOC

Barristan Selmy wins
Jaime Lannister wins
Barristan Selmy wins
Jaime Lannister wins
Barristan Selmy wins
Jaime Lannister wins

1 poor warrior vs formidable warrior

Mace Tyrell wins
Robert Baratheon wins
Robert Baratheon wins
Robert Baratheon wins
Robert Baratheon wins
Robert Baratheon wins


If a faction leader or heir is defeated in battle, they may be captured or killed using the same results (death is a low chance)

Example; 5/9 on escape, 3/9 on capture, 1/9 death

Viserys Targaryen is captured
Viserys Targaren escapes
Viserys Targaren is captured
Viserys Targaren escapes
Viserys Targaren is captured
Viserys Targaren escapes
Viserys Targaren dies
Viserys Targaren escapes
Viserys Targaren ecapes

If there is an outcry for this not be implemented, we shall not. Admin is more than willing to put the work into it and i think brings more of a realism / risk environment

*Spoils of War*
After every 5 turns, you may request the swords of fallen enemies.
For example; If Targaryen defeats Robert Baratheon and kills him, Targaryen may claim his Warhammer.
Other Ancillaries is admin decision, however lordships cannot be taken

Realistic RP is expected within this HS. 
For example, for Tyrell to break a marriage alliance with Dorne. Serious RP justification is required. 
If a faction has a family member hostage, you cannot simply ignore it so you can attack that faction.
RP is expected to follow the cannon of the era to a certain degree, grudges etc is expected to play a part in diplomacy. 

*The Iron Bank*
The Iron bank will be brought into this hotseat to make the world feel more financial dependant.

All factions can request loans with a 5% interest rate per turn of not being payed back, the size of the loans will be the banks own choice depending on your current financial capabilities, size of your territories, the success rate of any war and of RP PM's sent to the designated head of the bank.

The consequences of not paying your debts will mean your enemies will receive the same amount of gold to help fund there war efforts instead, if you have no enemies the Iron Bank will fund however much it finds appropriate to create enemies for you

The selling of Debt to another faction in exchange is allowed but will require all parties involved to inform the bank and has to be agreed by him.
Selling or trading Debt can be done through exchanging settlements or in return for military aid.

*Diplomacy and crowning yourself King*
Everyone will be considered at peace at the start of this Hotseat, the claimants of the Throne such as Stannis or Renly must follow the rule that is below. 
This Hotseat is to work with hard work of diplomacy and financial security, this prevents everyone building massive forces and just blitzing enemies, if you become minus twenty thousand gold in your finances you will be removed from the hotseat and the Iron Bank will sell off your remaining provinces to the highest paying contender.
In this Hotseat if you wish to declare an invasion of a country you are at peace with you must post a RP lawful reason for this to be allowed.
This declaration must be done either before or on your uploaded save. 
(This does not apply when fighting for your King)

If you wish to name yourself King of your Kingdom or of Westeros a sum of twelve thousand gold must be payed towards the Iron Bank for the Crown, you are allowed to loan this money, this is to prevent this hotseat becoming just a "everyone at war scenario"

a) The Elder Scrolls variation 

- Every important event and decision of your faction(s), such as declaring war, surrendering, important battles, etc, must be provided with RP, in accordance with the lore if possible.
- In the beginning of the game Elsweyr is vassal of The Aldmeri Dominion, Breton kingdoms are vassals of The Empire, Skyrim is in open rebellion against The Empire, The Redguards are independent, so is Blackmarsh and Morrowind Houses. 
- The Empire wishes to gain its former power by gaining control of all Tamriel again. The Dominion wishes to restore the power elves had in The First Era and convert Tamriel. The Stormcloaks are fighting for independence of Skyrim, for free worshiping of Talos and they consider The Dominion as the major threat. The Redguards intend to keep their hardly gained independence. Morrowind is trying to take back what it had lost and The Argonians want to exterminate dunmer race as payback for centuries when they served them as slaves.
-The White-Gold Concordat
The Peace Treaty made between The Empire and The Aldmeri Dominion ending the Great War. 
Terms for The Empire are following - The worship of Talos is banned from all provincies of The Empire ( so also from High Rock and Skyrim if you consider it as part of TE), so religon of TE is actually The Eight. Another term is that The Blades and religious knight orders (Knights of The Nine, Knights of The Iron, Knights of The Circle, Order of The Lily, Knights Mentors and The Crusaders) have to be disbanded and outlawed. The Thalmor have free reign to enforce these terms in Imperial provincies ( they can have 1 stack per castle in TE). AD cant take any more castles in TE unless they are allowed to do so.
If The Empire breaks these terms, the war will begin again. However, as long as TE follow these terms, The Dominion has no right to attack them.

Skyrim´s intention is to gain the independence and cancel The White-Gold Concordat. They can never ally to The Dominion. As long as TE forbids worshipping Talos, Skyrim can never ally to them. However, they can gain the independence from TE if Imperial legion of Skyrim is defeated by The Stormcloaks. TE cant grant freedom to Skyrim, only if they lose the war.

II - Westeros Tournament point system


Victory will based on a point system. 

Each hotseat will be capped at 30 turns. 
Player with the most points wins.
Financial, military and territory victories will be judged using the faction ranking system on turn 31.
Point Structure
1. Financial victory - 25 points
2. Military victory - 25 points
3. Territorial victory - 25 points
4. Killing faction leaders - 10 points
5. Killing faction heirs - 5 points
6. Capturing settlements of importance - 10 points.

III - Score Hotseat


Each player is obligated to count his points each turn and post with his turn report if there is any score change. If this is not done, no score shall be assigned.
- Your alliance gets points for every won battles. One killed enemy increases your alliance score by one point, and decreases enemy score by half in the same time( Ex: if you kill 1567 enemy men in battle, your team gets +1567 points, and enemy team loses -783.5 points. And if in the same battle your team loses 300 men, you lose -300 points and enemy gets +150.
So the result is +1267 points for you and - 633,5 points for enemy). 
- Killed enemies are counted by "men lost". If no enemy survives (siege, surrounded,..), then you can count as killed enemies all enemies from the army.
- You are not allowed to disband any unit that is under siege or was defeated last turn.
- No minus points, if you reach zero you stay at zero.
100 points for sinking 1st level ship 
200 points for sinking 2nd level ship 
300 points for sinking 3rd level ships 
400 points for sinking 4rd level ship
Subtract half of the above points for losing a ship
Assassinating a spy or an assassin is worth 200 points
Subtract half of the above points for losing an agent
Bonus points
+100 for thousands of dead enemies kill in battle, or for killing a general
+250 for taking settlement or an alliance fortification
+500 for killing FL or FH
+1000 for taking a capital (Imperial City, Alinor, Elden Root, Torval, Lilmoth, Mournhold, Dawnstar, New Orsinium, Wayrest and Sentinel), but only for the first time.
+5000 for destroying a faction

-The alliance that first achieves 50k is the winner, but the game will go on for one turn. If an other alliance manages to decrease the first alliance's score under the goal, the game goes on. If the second alliance increases his score so it is greater than the 50k (and greater than score of first player), then the second alliance will wins.

The Three Banners War variaton

- Each alliance is fighting for The Ruby Throne in Imperial City. To become Emperor, you have to conquer Imperial City.
- There are 9 alliance fortifications (including Weye and Fort Alessia) around Rumare Bay. Each alliance controls 3 at the beginning. You are not allowed to leave any alliance fortification.
- The distance between any new fort you build in Cyrodiil and an alliance fortification must be longer than can a character with regular movement points march in one turn ( so far it cant reach even ZoC of the alliance fortifications).
- You get 250 alliance points per turn for the each fortification you control at the beginning of your turn.
- To access Imperial City, you have to conquer all 9 alliance fortifications. Then you can enter Imperial Isle, and take the city.
- If you manage to take Imperial City, you get boost of 5k points per turn ( but alliance points for forts are disabled).
- The Boost lasts only as long as you hold all 9 fortifications. Once you lose even one, you lose the boost and you have to leave Imperial Isle, leaving there half stack as a garrison. When an alliance hold all 9 alliance fortifications, the other two alliances may join their forces. Once the threat is over, they to have to fight each other again.

IV - Claim Hotseat


- You are playing as faction leader of your faction, not your faction as whole. Thus you are not allowed to suicide your FL or your faction ( imagine you play CK2)
- This HS will be focused mainly on your in-game characters and politics. Important events and political decisions has to be RPed, or at least announced.
- No adoptions allowed ( if your faction is in danger of being destroyed because lacking FMs, you are allowed to make a regent (by adoption) to rule instead of your children until they grow up). You have to take care of your family members ( there are large family trees). Important family events should be RPed or announced - death of FH/FL and weddings with other players.
- For breaking RP rules you will be kicked from the HS.

Claiming titles
- You are not allowed to take any settlement without a claim ( except civil wars, crusades, etc). Even from AI/rebels.
- Only settlements that lie at your borders can be claimed. HRE factions can claim any settlements ( not home settlements) withing HRE or at its borders.
- You are not allowed to claim a settlement from a faction, if your armies are in lands of the faction ( or occupying settlements that should be theirs)
-To claim a settlement you must pay 5k ( including AI factions).
- To claim all home settlements of the faction that you were related to by marriage (the factions is now destroyed) you must pay only 5k. 
- Settlements that were yours once ( rightfully) can be reclaimed with 2,5k.

- You have 10 turns to take the settlement/ you have claim ( or conquest etc) for, if you dont manage it, you lose your claim and the war ends. 
- You can claim settlement of the faction that has claimed your settlement for 2,5k as long as you are invaded ( so there will be two claims/wars in the same time).

- Once the invader ( or his allies) holds claimed settlement for 3 turns, the war ends. The war also ends if you have under siege enemy´s last settlement, and they have no hope to lift it. The settlement the invader/defender fought for remains their, other settlements that has been taken must be returned ( from both sides).
- You cannot claim a settlement from the same human faction twice in row, unless 5 turns passed.

- You are not allowed to claim home settlements of the other factions. Home settlements cant be gifted. If your home settlements is in the hands of other faction, you can start war to take it without paying anything ( after for example imperial ban or excommunication).

- Vassal states of HRE and The Pope cannot press more than 1 claim in the same time.
- Independent kingdoms can claim 2 claims in the same time.
- The Roman king can press 3 claims in the same time.
- Holy Roman Emperor can press three 4 claims in the same time.

-After all players play theit turns, turn will be "admin turn", when he does all money changes. After he does it, he will check all factions ( by entering their next turn with preset passwords), if they will be in debt, the claim will not be granted. Their money will not be returned.
- Your claim has to be posted in thread, and also PM admin (PM will have title "HRE-number of turn-settlement")

Independent kingdoms
- If an independent kingdom claims a settlement/faction within HRE, the kingdom is at war with the entire HRE.
- HRE factions should claim settlements from other independent kingdoms only with approval from their liege.
-They can participate in HRE wars if they are invited. After the war they have to return all settlements they took within HRE. If they supported new Roman King/Emperor, he can let them keep some settlements as reward. Ïf they are defeated (last settlement under siege), they cannot participate in the civil war anymore, but their settlements will be returned immediately, not after the war.
- Independent kingdom can take settlements from other independent kingdom without a claim if each of them is participating in HRE civil war on different sides ( but cannot destroy the faction). After the war they have to return all settlements they took. They can keep settlements they claimed before their armies entered the other kingdom.

- If independent factions attack excommunicated factions within HRE, they might be at war with the entire HRE, as no of sides of a civil war is interested in giving up part of HRE to a foreign realm without a permission.

- They can claim the entire AI christian kingdom for 15k.

- They can declare conquest on another human independent faction. Conquest can be declared only with approval of pope/antipope, and 15k paid to admin. Conquest allows you to claim 2 home settlement of the enemy faction after the war with same requirements of winning as in "claiming titles". If the enemy faction doesnt manage to take it back in 10 turns, the settlement will be removed from their home settlements.
- In case the conquest is declared upon HRE, 2 home settlements dont have to be from the same HRE faction.
- You can declare conquest against the same faction only once per life of your FL. 
- HRE faction can become independent state if they have their own kingdom within HRE. They have to pay 15k, and they need official approval of the pope/antipope and The Roman King/Emperor ( if he refuses, the war might begin).

Aquiring a kingdom
- You can claim crown of a destroyed christian kingdom if you control all its starting settlement for 15k. You need official approval of pope/antipope and also official approval of your liege. HRE must be at peace.
- There are two bonus historical kingdoms - Kingdom of Bohemia and Burgundy. These can be claimed only by Duchy of Bohemia and County of Burgundy, or, if they are destroyed, by the faction that was related to them by marriage ( only if it was kingdom before it was destroyed).
- Becoming king
(also The Roman king) allows you to pick one more home settlements. Becoming Emperor allows you to pick another.

Crown of Italy

- Crown of Italy can be claimed if you own more than 50% of Italy. You have to pay 15k, and you need official approval from the pope/antipope, who will crown you in Rome ( your FL has to travel here).
- HRE factions cant claim the title, only The Roman King/Emperor if HRE control more than 50%. Exception is Milan ( or Sicily/Venice if they become vassals of HRE), if it manages to fulfill the requirements, Milan becomes independent and is renamed to Kingdom of Italy.
- Crown of Italy allows you to to start a war against other italian factions ( except Pope). If you win, they become your vassals (you can keep all settlements you took from them except their home settlements). Declaration of war costs you 7,5k.

- (Arch)Bishops can be appointed by hiring priest/recruiting general(or sending recruited general here for 1 turn) in a city with vacant (arch)bishop title.
- Independent rulers believe, they have the right to appoint (arch)bishops in their lands instead of pope. Appointment of (arch)bishops can become subject of dispute between the pope and a ruler, with possible future consequences.
-(Arch)bishops appointment has to be officially confirmed by pope/antipope. If you dont have approval, you have to pay 2,5k to admin to make bishop confirmed, 5k for archbishop/patriarch. 
- As long as you are excommunicated, no new (arch) bishops can be appointed, unless you have support of antipope who cancels the excommunication upon you.
It all has to be done publicly in the thread. If you ask to name (arch)bishop, you have to post a pic of him, showing he has the ancillary. Confirmation has to be also done publicly.
- Only confirmed (arch)bishop can be used in following in situations (all (arch)bishops that you start with are already confirmed). You have to state the name of the (arch)bishop in these actions:
To claim a settlement, you need at least one
(arch)bishop in your faction to approve the act in the name of church. To claim a faction, you need archbishop, he is also needed for a conquest.
(Arch)Bishop is required to wed your characters. Without him no wedding can happen.
If you wish to be crowned king, only archbishop/patriarch may crown you ( he can be from other faction if its player approves).
If you wish to appoint an antipope, the factions that intend to appoint him, need at least 3 archbishops/patriarchs and 10 bishops. If you dont have enough bishops, but have more archbishops/patriarchs then you need, they can count as bishops.
- Pope cant claim any settlement from AI or human factions, he can be only gifted with settlements. He can take settlements only from rebels ( with a claim), excommunicated faction or from the factions the crusade has been declared on.
- Pope can declare crusade.
- Pope is hostile towards factions that has less than three crosses. In the most extreme cases, the faction can be excommunicated. Pope has to protect factions that has more than 6 crosses, although he always should protect the faction with more crosses than the one with less crosses.
- He can declare war only upon factions that has 2 or less crosses. Being at war with the pope means you are excommunicated ( the pope player can ask admin to set the war between him and the character that should be excommunicated.) Excommunication costs 10k per piety of FL who shall be excommunicated.
- The excommunicated faction can be attacked by anyone, it can be even destroyed. Settlements of the faction can be taken and kept as long as the excommunication lasts.
- Vassals or allies of the excommunicated faction are automatically excommunicated. ( their excommunication ends when the faction that caused the excommunication is not excommunicated anymore).
- The excommunication ends either with death of excommunicated character or with atonement. Or if the pope dies, and new pope has good relations with excommunicated faction (more than 2 crosses), the excommunication is cancelled.
-Pope is hostile against all factions supporting antipope.

- Playing pope will require player to change his diplomacy often depending on who becomes the pope.

- Antipope can be appointed by The Roman King/Counter King/Emperor or any independent faction if they hold
ecclesiastical council where the decision is made( must be RPed)
- To appoint antipope, you or your ally/vassal (with his approval) must have a confirmed archbishop/patriarch/cardinal ( bishops cant). Only
archbishops/patriarchs/cardinal that are present in game as a general can be made antipope.

- Antipope is played by the player who owns him.
- Antipope cancels the effect of excommunication upon those who support him. 
- Antipope can excommunicate factions, he has to pay 10k/per piety of the excommunicated character.

- Pope can grant claim for 2,5k at the setlements of those who support antipope to those who support the pope. Antipope can do the same.
- The faction that initiated his appointment and the faction he belongs to must support him until his death.
- The schism ends with death of antipope ( or when cardinal antipope is elected pope). New antipope can be appointed with the same procedure as before ( money need to be paid again).
- Appointment costs 30k. If you are the faction who owns antipope, you can cancel his appointment by the same amount of gold you paid to appoint him.

- During papal schism, no crusades can be declared.

- Crusade can declared only when no faction is excommunicated and when there is no antipope
- To declare crusade you have to pay 10k. 
- Crusades can be declared only against a faction with different religion ( first crusade must be declared into Jerusalem, in this case, all settlements in Holy Land can be conquered).
- Characters that join the crusade mustnt abandon it. Crusaders are allowed to fight only factions of the religion the crusade has been declared on. They can keep any settlement they take from the faction.

Holy Roman Empire

- Ruler of Holy Roman Empire is The Roman King who is elected by all vassal states of HRE .
- The Roman King can become Holy Roman Emperor if he is crowned by the pope.
- When the ruler of HRE dies or is overthrown, the elections begin.

- The beginning and end of the elections is announced by the admin. The Electors have one week to decide. Their decision has to be RPed and posted in the thread. You may choose not to vote anyone.
- Every Faction leader of any HRE faction can candidate.
- Candidate, who is heir of the previous Roman king has boost of one vote, heir of The Emperor has boost of 2 votes.

- Character with the greatest support becomes The Roman King, unless the other candidate(s) claim the title. Any candidate with at least one vote from other faction ( or boost) can claim the title.
- The Winner of the civil war becomes The Roman King.

The Roman King
- The Roman king leads diplomacy with other independent kingdoms, if HRE is at war, he is chief commander.
- He can claim AI settlements for 2,5k, or he can claim the entire AI faction that is bordering with HRE for 10k ( only once per his life unless he becomes The Emperor). All HRE factions can participate in both cases, who takes the settlement first, becomes its owner.
- He can declare conquest (see independent kingdoms)-
- He can declare war upon vassals who broke the laws of HRE. The Dispute becomes civil war - Rebellion.
- Becoming Roman king allows you to pick one more home settlement.

Counter King
- When a group vassals decide The Emperor/The Roman King is unworthy of his title (excommunication, attacking his vassals, etc), they can raise counter king. Everyone from the rebelling coalition has to pay 5k. They elect counter king amongst themselves. If The Roman King/Emperor is excommunicated, the pope can choose whom from the coalition whom shall be counter king if the coalition lets him. If they let him choose, they dont have to pay anything. If the counter king dies, they can elect another (everyone hast to pay 5k again, if they cant afford that, they lose or the pope chooses). If the coalition is excommunicated, antipope can choose whom shall be counter king if they have his support( or they pay 5k).

- If the coalition succeeds, the counter king becomes The Roman King ( not Emperor).

Becoming Holy Roman Emperor
- To become Emperor, you must be The Roman King, you need approval from The Pope, 15 000 gold and you mustnt be excommunicated.
- If all these conditions are fulfilled, Imperial Ride may begin ( the money shall be removed by admin).
- The Roman King has to travel to Rome, where he will be crowned emperor by the pope. He can be also crowned by antipope, if the faction the antipope belongs to holds Rome.

Holy Roman Emperor

- Holy Roman Emperor leads diplomacy with other independent kingdoms. If HRE is at war, he is chief commander.
- Emperor can place Imperial Ban ( once per 15 turns) upon the faction for breaking the laws of HRE ( fighting the other factions withing HRE, refusing to obey The Emperor, etc).
- Holy Roman Emperor can claim the entire AI faction for 2,5k ( once per 10 turns). He can claim a human independent kingdom once per his reign. If he wants to make them part of the Empire, he has to pay 15k to start a war. If he wants to destroy them, he has to pay 30k. In all three cases all HRE factions can participate and become owners of the settlements they take ( unless the faction become vassal, than it keeps its home settlements). 
- Holy Roman Emperor can declare crusade if he has more than 8 crosses.

HRE status
At Peace
- No war within the Empire ( The Roman King/Emperor vs someone else) or with another kingdom. Wars between two(or more) vassal states isnt civil war.
At war

- HRE is at war with other independent kingdom.

Civil War
- During the civil war you can change sides/join war only once per life of you FL ( with RP). For at least five turns after your decision you mustnt change it.
- During the civil war, no new claims can be granted to HRE factions.
- Ongoing war for claims can continue only if both sides are neutral in civil war, or if they choose different sides. If this doesnt happen, the claim is lost and the war ends.

Neutral faction are the factions that didnt vote for any candidate. Although, they can join the war later ( 5 turns after the elections).
- The faction that was supporting a candidate can become neutral if they pay 5k to all sides.
- During civil war you cant destroy enemy faction by taking all their settlements ( except imperial ban and excommunication). If their last remaining settlement is under siege that cant be lifted, their participation in the war ends. They cannot join the ongoing civil war anymore. Once the civil war ends, their home settlements must be returned to them.

- System for fines: Kings purse + 1k for every home settlement + 1k for every other settlement that the faction still own after the war.

War between candidates for the title Roman King
Last surviving candidate becomes The Roman King. Home settlements must be returned.

-The War ends with death of The Roman King/Emperor ( not caused by rebels), or if the agreements is made. Home settlements must be returned.
- The Rebels wins if they kill The Roman king/Emperor or when his last settlement is under siege, in this case he would be overthrown. His home settlements must be returned, his other settlements may be kept by the rebels if they took some. All settlements that was taken from the rebels during war must be returned to them, settlements taken from the supporters of The Roman King/Emperor must be returned ( doesnt count for settlements that was taken by a successful claim).
-It might also end with defeat and punishment of rebelling faction(s) ( not destruction of the faction). Punishment is removal of all their not home settlements. Half of their home settlements can be occupied by The Roman King/Emperor for 5 turns. They also have to pay full fine to the Roman King/Emperor.

War for independence
- The war ends with agreement.
Home settlements must be returned.

- If the rebelling faction wins, it gains independence. Although, all HRE settlements taken by the rebelling faction during the war are returned to the original owners,
settlements taken from the rebelling faction must be also returned ( doesnt count for settlements that was taken by a successful claim).
- If The Roman King/Emperor wins, the punishment is the same is in "Rebellion".

Counter king

-The war ends if an agreement is made, or with death of The Roman King/Emperor (not caused by rebels). Home settlements must be returned.
-The counter king wins if The Roman King/Emperor is killed ( by the forces of the coalition) or if he is forced to abdicate (last remaining settlement under siege) of The Roman King/Emperor. All settlements taken by the coalition from The Roman King/Emperor and his supporters may remain in their hands.
- The Counter king is new Roman king.

-If the coalition loses ( last settlement of counter king under siege), The Roman King/Emperor and his supporters can keep all settlements they took (except home settlements). All settlements will be removed from the faction the counter king comes from ( except home settlements). The faction counter king comes from has to pay full fine, other factions just half fine.

- If the counter king dies during the war, and the coalition cant afford to elect another, they lose. In this case, all factions from the coalition have to pay fine in amount of half of their budget to The Roman King/Emperor, the settlements they lost may be kept by their enemies ( not home settlements).

- If the counter king dies, the coalition that was supporting him has one turn to decide whether they will continue in the war by electing new counter king or bend the knee and suffer the punishment. During this turn the war continues with no change. The civil war may end sooner, if they make the announcement of their decision before the 1 turn has passed. If 1 turn has passed, and a decision still hasnt been made, they lose automatically.

Imperial Ban
- The War Ends either with death of The HRE Emperor ( not caused by the banned faction), or if an agreement is made.
Home settlements must be returned.

- Emperor loses if he is killed by the banned faction, or when his last settlement is under siege (=abdication).
-Emperor wins if the banned faction is destroyed. Factions that were supporting banned faction will be punished samely as in Rebellion.

- If one of the sides is excommunicated during these civil wars, then the excommunicated factions can be destroyed unless the pope/antipope cancels the excommunication. 
- In such case the normal civil war rules are implemented again.

Blood alliance
- Blood alliance is the highest form of alliance in game formed by a marriage. Breaking marriage alliance will cost you 10k. As breaking of blood alliance isnt considered standing on different sides of civil wars, as long as your armies dont fight each other.
- Blood allies gain one additional claim that is shared by them. Each of them has to pay 5k for the shared claim, it is up to them to decide who will own the settlement once it is taken by their forces. 
- If the blood allies are two independent kingdoms, they gain an additional allowed shared conquest ( *rules allows you to make only one conquest against the same faction per life of your FL). In that case, at least 10 turns have to pass since the last conquest declared by any of the allied faction against their enemy. They both have to pay 10k and they need approval of pope/antipope. Each of them gets one of the claimed home settlements.
- Once the claim is succesful ( a claimed settlement is held for at least 3 turns), they have to wait at least five turns before they are allowed to make another shared claim.
- A player can take part only in one shared claim/conquest in the same time.
- Pope cant form blood alliances
- If the marriage alliance ( or forced marriage) is broken, you can claim enemy home settlement of the faction the princess belonged to (once per 10 turns).

- You can also force marriage, if a princess from an other faction without an escort is in your lands and your units can block her, so she cant escape (pics needed) If she has an escort, you need to defeat it first. If the escort is defeated then you can also force marriage. Forced marriage costs 5k.
- The player who owns the princess that was captured must use her as the player who captured her wants. Thus if he wishes to wed her to some of his characters, the player who owns her has to wed her to a character he is ordered from the other player. However, she can seduce the general if she has more than 35%.

V - Objective Hotseat


The Council of Nobles decided that each and every one of you should complete a couple objectives. Completing them will not only make you respectable and honourable, but also a true Lord of Middle-Earth. Worthy of ruling it.

All players receive their personal victory objectives via PM.
- Objectives will remain private!
- All objectives must be completed to achieve victory.
- Victory can be achieved by either completing all your objectives as provided by the admins, or as in any other hotseat, by destroying all other factions.

- There are no rules, other than the ones below, to complete objectives. It doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you complete your objective!
- If a player completes one of his objectives, it will not be shared to the other players by the admin. 

The aim of this thread is to let all members of our community know about other hotseating communities/groups. Once the list is completed, it will be also posted in the groups/communities below by its leaders. The purpose is to provide all hotseaters with more options and also new hotseat experience. This should bring new people to each community, thus the hotseats should become more enjoyable, as you will not not play against the same players every time. However, the main reason why did we decide to do this is to connect all hotseaters together, so we can share our ideas and help each other.

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Re: Hotseat Rules Innovations and Discussion Thread

on Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:22 pm
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Though it might be obvious, it could be useful to state that there are many more bugs than listed here, and that these are not allowed in hotseats either usually. Basically, anything that isn't composed of intended game mechanics isn't allowed unless stated otherwise.

Also, some of the moves listed in "bugs" belong more to the "exploit" classification as defined here.

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Re: Hotseat Rules Innovations and Discussion Thread

on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:49 pm
Yea, will look into that. Ventos said something similar long time ago, but I never truly got to it Embarassed
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